Radicals Attack CAP: Let’s Clear a Few Things Up

By Cathi Herod, President
Center for Arizona Policy

What a week. I don’t know if I’ve ever witnessed such baseless and false attacks on CAP-supported bills as I saw this week. While I understand that it may be more entertaining for some to blatantly lie about legislation, the people deserve to know the truth.

So I’m going to clear a few things up about CAP-supported bills and other issues that have been misconstrued in the press and liberal blogs this week.

HB 2625 – This simple bill protects the religious freedom of faith-based groups and other employers. No employer should be forced by the government to pay for contraception and abortifacients in their insurance plans when doing so would violate their First Amendment protected religious beliefs. The media has falsely picked up the opponents’ outrageous claims that the bill would force women to tell employers why they are taking birth control pills. Read the bill. That claim is not in the bill.

Center for Arizona Policy does not take a position on family planning or birth control. We do, however take a very strong position that faith-based institutions and employers who hold a religious belief regarding contraception should not be compelled to violate those beliefs and pay for the medication.

The bill’s sponsor, Representative Debbie Lesko has done an incredible job in numerous media interviews explaining this point, like this interview with Greta Van Sustren. Take a moment to thank Rep. Lesko by emailing her at: dlesko@azleg.gov?subject=Thank%20You!

SB 1359 – Sponsored by Sen. Nancy Barto, this legislation is based on common sense and decency. It prohibits “wrongful life” and “wrongful birth” lawsuits. These lawsuits arise when a child is born with a disability, and the parents sue the doctor claiming that had they known their child had a disability, they would have had an abortion.

These lawsuits endorse the viewpoint that the life of a disabled child is worth less than the life of a child without a disability. Imagine what the children of the parents who file these lawsuits must feel when they get older and find out that their parents sued because they wish they would have had an abortion.

The attacks on this bill have truly been far-fetched. Some blogs claimed that this bill would allow doctors to knowingly withhold information from parents. Untrue. This bill does nothing to protect doctors that cause harm to preborn children, withhold information, or are grossly negligent.

Bullying, Part Two. Perhaps you’ve seen the attacks on me and CAP this week regarding the anti-bullying legislation I wrote about last week. I’ve been called a “legislative terrorist” and I’m sure a few other names by the time you read this.

While most of the attacks do not warrant a response, I do want to address one false statement made by State Senator David Schapira. He has claimed multiple times that I said SB 1462 is a “back door gay bill, no pun intended.” I would never say something so crass. Sen. Schapira — disagree with me if you want. But stop telling lies about what I supposedly said.

Click here to see a Channel 12 news clip attacking us for our position then click here to read the statement I issued to the press in response.

Pornographers coming to Arizona? – Several of you have written me recently about the California pornography industry threatening to come to Arizona because of new regulations in Los Angeles.

What wasn’t mentioned is the huge roadblock in their way: filming pornography in Arizona violates our prostitution laws.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery sent a clear message to pornographers this week when he released a statement explaining how virtually all of those involved in pornography could be subject to felony charges:

Under Arizona law, anyone paid to appear in a pornographic movie may be guilty of the crime of prostitution, which carries mandatory jail time as well as the possibility of other penalties. Furthermore, anyone involved in other aspects of producing pornographic movies, including soliciting individuals to appear, collecting a fee from the monies received by individuals solicited to appear by virtue of an agent relationship, transporting individuals from California to Arizona for the purpose of appearing in a pornographic movie, and/or establishing a venue for the filming and/or production of pornographic movies may be guilty of committing one or several felonies in the state of Arizona. Accordingly, Arizona law precludes the establishment of a “pornography industry” to any degree such as that present in California.

You can read his full statement here. After you read it, take a moment to thank Mr. Montgomery for standing up to the pornography industry.

16 thoughts on “Radicals Attack CAP: Let’s Clear a Few Things Up

  1. arizona today

    Herod is flat out right on this. Channel 12 is flat out wrong. Equality Arizona, the radical homosexual pressure group, is pushing this bill bigtime because they want to politicize public schools and create an environment of fear in Arizona’s K-12 systems. The slur made against her by left-wing extremists is egregious — flat-out lies intended to whip public support in their favor. All of this is to be expected from left-wing radicals who will say and do anything to get their way and demonize any and all who get in their way. Channel 12 failed the test bigtime here, slanting a story with obvious, blatant and intentional bias. Shame on them. Here’s a big fat F for Channel 12 in Journalism 101.

  2. arizona today

    In reviewing the whole controversy, here are the major take-aways:

    1.Channel 12 did a shabby job of “journalism.” Since Herrod turned down their request for an interview, they responded by just giving the advocates of the homosexual agenda an open door to assert its contentions with no sense of journalistic accountability whatsoever. They never asked Rep. Schapira or Nick Ray of Equality Arizona exactly how Herrod “killed” the bill. Nor did Channel 12 press Ray with any difficult questions; it merely gave him unbridled access to the airwaves to spout his propaganda. Never did Channel 12 ask them if the bill really was aimed to politicize schools, which it was. Don’t expect unbiased “journalism” from the left-stream media.

    2. Schapira doesn’t win any points for name-calling: referring to Herrod as “so rampantly homophobic.” Hate to break the news to you, Rep, but there is no more of the so-called “homophobia” out there than there is “heterophobia.”

    3. Equality Arizona made it known months ago that it was behind a huge push for a bullying bill in Arizona this year. And when it came for consideration in the legislature they tried to act like it was never part of the homosexual agenda. The fact is homosexual pressure groups are pushing this agenda nationwide. Ray is factually off base by claiming Herrod “is an unelected official able to stop the legislative process. She’s built an industry on attacking the lgbt community in the state and made itself very wealthy in the process.” Not once did the Channel 12 interviewer press him to factually prove his claims. Equality Arizona regularly refers to Herrod as a “homophobe” on its Facebook page, and its members accuse of her hate when in fact there is no hate. They’re bearing false witness and acting in a consistently uncivil manner.

  3. Claire

    Porn is NOT prostitution. Arizona struck me as a more Libertarian state. With the recent politically correct speech laws going on and the anti porn laws, I will thankfully stay out of Arizona. And here I thought it was the liberals who stepped all over free speech. If it weren’t for their crappy economic policies I’d join their party instead.

  4. arizona today

    Pornography and prostitution sell human bodies for money. These two evils are joined at the hip. People in pornographic productions are selling human flesh. Prostitution is selling human flesh, not exactly the same way.

    As Cathi Herrod writes, pornography will violate Arizona’s prostitution law. Have you read this law?

    Porn and prostitution, of course, are not exactly the same, but they are very connected.

    Pornography’ comes from the word ‘pornos’, the prostitute, and the word ‘graphé’, the writing. Therefore the word ‘pornography’ is used for an explicit representation of anything concerning sexuality. In fact, as long as people engaging in prostitution or pornography are doing it in exchange for payment, these acts are interlinked. Madrid, 18th-21st March 1986), and Canada (The Fraser Commission on Pornography and Prostitution) have identified pornography as one of the factors which facilitate the exploitation of prostitution and have acknowledged that any policy of prevention of prostitution absolutely must include resolute action against the spread of pornography.” Pornography can lead women to prostitution insofar as it portrays women being treated as sexual objects by men.(SOURCE: Fondation Selles)

  5. arizona today

    More on the links between porn and prostitution: A spokeswoman for former prostitutes in Minneapolis said: “All of us feel very strongly about the relationship between pornography and prostitution. … This is absolutely incredible to me that prostitution is seen as a victimless activity and that many women are rightly terrified of breaking their silence, fearing harassment to themselves and families and loss of their jobs. We have started to meet together to make sense of the abuse we have experienced in prostitution and how pornography endorses and legitimizes that abuse.
    Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography, Part 4, Chapter 1: Victimization, 44, (1986).

    Some women work in the pornography industry because they are running away from sexually and physically violent homes, and pornographers offer them food, shelter, money, promises of love and a home. Some go into pornography because their fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers or boyfriends prostitute them or make pornography of them and then act as their “agents.” Sometimes, the porn is used to blackmail young girls into continuing life in the sex industry.
    Gail Dines, Ann Russo and Robert Jensen, Pornography: The Production and Consumption of Inequality (New York: Routledge, 1995): 24.

    Some feminists have insisted that there must be no distinction made between child and adult prostitution and that all pornography and prostitution is violence against women. Janice Raymond, director for the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, said: “Recently, and unfortunately, some non-governmental and women’s rights groups have attempted to draw distinctions between trafficking and prostitution, between ‘forced’ and ‘free’ prostitution, and between child and adult prostitution. … Recognizing pornography as violence against women is an important landmark in the struggle for women’s equality and for the elimination of all forms of violence against women.”
    Norma Jean Almodovar, In The Us Government’s War Against Prostitution And Pornography….. Sex Workers Are Out-Numbered And Out-Gunned…And Wondering, Where Are Our Allies? International Sex Worker Foundation for Art, Culture and Education.

    “[We} were all introduced to prostitution through pornography, there were no exceptions in our group, and we were all under 18. Pornography was our textbook. We learned the tricks of the trade by men exposing us to pornography and us trying to mimic what we saw. I could not stress enough what a huge influence we feel this was.”

    Former prostitute, “Terese,” Franklin Mark Osanka and Sara Lee Johann, Sourcebook on Pornography, (Lexington, Massachusetts: Lexington Books, 1989): 107.

    1. JD Rose

      You obviously are against freedom of speech and the persuit of happiness and if a woman or man wish by their own free will to enter into a contract to produce, make or star in a film of their choice they are an actor but if the make love or have sex in the film they are now prostitutes and should be put in jail? How about the BIG Hollywood films that portray sex scenes actors like Halle Barry and Angela Jolie are they prostitutes as well because they have portrayed sex scenes in their movies and got payed well for doing it?
      How about this scenario a husband or boyfriend buys a piece of expensive jewelry to give to his wife or girlfriend and in return she has sex with him is that also not prostitution? Did she not have sex with him as a reward for his gift or behavior? Under the law this is also prostitution and both of them are guilty of a classified felony and both parties should be put in jail. Let’s face the facts here most men has spent money or given gifts with the intent that the end result of his actions would result in him having sex and most women are just as guilty for receiving those gifts and rewarding their men with sexual acts to encourage that sort of behavior by men.
      With this sort of behavior forced upon men by society what do you expect the outcome of that to be? It leads men to believe that it is what is expected from them is to pay in some sort or fashion for attention and/or affections that they receive.

      Another example a man goes into a bar sees a woman that he finds to be attractive he buys her drinks so at the end of the night she will have sex with him and the woman receives those drink knowing what the guys intentions are and she agrees to go back to his place and have sex. He spent money to buy drinks so she would have sex with him. This according to the law sounds like a form of prostitution and both parties should be put in jail over this kind of interaction/behavior.

      The only time that people seems to have a problem with pornography is when people want to be a “pornstar” and make a living/getting paid to do what they have chosen to do as a career. Perhaps we should make it illegal for a doctor to get paid to perform heart surgeries or an e electrician to perform electrical work. Let’s get on the same page here. I know I have said a lot and I’m sure that I will get a lot of criticism for some of my statements .
      I just wanted to point out that there is a double standard out there and that people turns a blind eye when it is convenient for them.
      It is amazing to me that a small group of individuals take such a fierce stand against something because they feel/ believe that their position on morality gets challenged and they feel the need to dictate morality to the rest of society without any regard for how other people feel or believe. An open mind is key to our progression. It is this closed minded mentality that impedes our overall progress towards the greater good in our society today.

  6. arizona today

    Hi, JD,

    Thank you for writing. Just a few basics here in response to your post:

    1. No one here is talking about the right of people to freely associate. Prying into people’s private lives is the domain of so-called “progressives” who want to control every aspect of your life.

    2. Your statement — The only time that people seems to have a problem with pornography is when people want to be a “pornstar” and make a living/getting paid to do what they have chosen to do as a career. — is 180 degrees from truth. Pornography is a blight upon society. It is not victimless. Families, lives, and marriages have been ruined by pornography. It is a plague upon the world. It is crime on film. Please take the time to go to the website of the 1986 Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography and read the personal testimonies of women who were victimized by pornography. Also, see this resource: http://unitedfamilies.org/default.asp?contentID=34 (The Harms of Pornography).

    3. Dictation on morality? All law is someone’s morality. In fact, it is the morality of the majority voting in local, state, and federal levels.

    4. Pornography is not free speech. Pornography dehumanizes and victimizes its victims. Thousands of victims will tell you that. As a matter of what, what about the right to privacy and free speech rights of the victims of pornography, such as children who were forced against their will to be filmed being raped/molested, and now the crime is forever circulating worldwide in film and on the Internet? Where did their rights vanish away to?

    5. Conservatism and free speech are joined at the hip. The same can never be said for progressivism and free speech.

    6. Please answer this: why should pay for sex be considered outside the law if it is for a movie? What puts a movie production of pornography above the law? Is rape above the law if it happens in the context of a pornographic movie production?

    7. County Attorney Montgomery and others standing up for high cultural standards are to be commended and applauded.

    Please look into the resources I’ve provided. If you do, your attitude toward porno will completely change. It never has been a victimless crime, and it never will be.

    Best regards.

  7. arizona today

    More on porn:

    Lacking in socially redeeming value, pornography represents a significant and growing menace to families, individuals, employers and communities. The price tag of pornography is crime, exploitation, sexual assault, child abuse, fractured marriages and families, addiction and compulsion, distracted and uprooted lives and tremendous social costs for the communities, employers and government agencies paying the resultant costs. Governments have proven incapable of protecting the public from the consequences of pornography. Too often, courts have undermined legislative remedies and community standards because they are unwilling to distinguish between freedom of speech and obscenity. Pornography is entrenched by its profitability and wealth. It is a crime, and crimes have victims.

    1. JD Rose

      So according to you statement above that with out pornagraphy there would be little to no crime? You must know that the heart of man is continually evil and even without pornography these crimes that you mentioned above would still be committed on a daily basis.
      According to the supreme Court of United States of America they have a different view on the First Amendment rights. Before I going to further I just want to make this blatantly clear that I do not condone in any way shape form or fashion any child abuse including child pornography the making of said child pornography the possession of said child pornography or any other form of pornography that does not happen between two consenting adults whether it would be as you mentioned rape or whatever the case may be. I’m talking about two consenting adults going into legal binding contract making a film together and agreeing to share in the profits of that adult film or being paid for the services they provide in making of said adult film. Here are a few examples of what United States Supreme Court view is on pornography.

      Stanley v. Georgia established a Constitutional right to possess pornography. The majority opinion defended the free and unimpeded acquisition of facts and knowledge, regardless of their apparent social value.[8] The issue is over censorship. In accordance with liberal philosophy, mentally competent adults should be allowed to gratify their private tastes, regardless of the majority societal opinion on the taste.[9] The Court reasoned that unless the pornography is presented in a way that creates a negative externality on others, especially minors (Roth), no individual can be stopped from owning and viewing pornography in private. The decision in Stanley v. Georgia was an important stepping stone for the success of the sexual revolution and helped pave the way for today’s conventional market for pornography and popular support for the matter.[10]

      Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union. 521 U.S. 844 (1997), is a United States Supreme Court case in which all nine Justices of the Court voted to strike down anti-indecency provisions of the Communications Decency Act (the CDA), finding they violated the freedom of speech provisions of the First Amendment. Two Justices concurred in part and dissented in part to the decision. This was the first major Supreme Court ruling regarding the regulation of materials distributed via the Internet.

      In writing for the majority, Justice Kennedy of  The Supreme Court Said 
      “As a general principle, the First Amendment bars the government from dictating what we see or read or speak or hear. The freedom of speech has its limits; it does not embrace certain categories of speech, including defamation, incitement, obscenity, and pornography produced with real children … While these categories may be prohibited without violating the First Amendment, none of them includes the speech prohibited by the CPPA … the CPPA is much more than a supplement to the existing federal prohibition on obscenity … The materials need not appeal to the prurient interest. Any depiction of sexually explicit activity, no matter how it is presented, is proscribed. The CPPA applies to a picture in a psychology manual, as well as a movie depicting the horrors of sexual abuse. It is not necessary, moreover, that the image be patently offensive. Pictures of what appear to be 17-year-olds engaging in sexually explicit activity do not in every case contravene community standards.
      “The CPPA prohibits speech despite its serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. The statute proscribes the visual depiction of an idea—that of teenagers engaging in sexual activity—that is a fact of modern society and has been a theme in art and literature throughout the ages. Under the CPPA, images are prohibited so long as the persons appear to be under 18 years of age … This is higher than the legal age for marriage in many States, as well as the age at which persons may consent to sexual relations … It is, of course, undeniable that some youths engage in sexual activity before the legal age, either on their own inclination or because they are victims of sexual abuse.
      “Both themes—teenage sexual activity and the sexual abuse of children—have inspired countless literary works. William Shakespeare created the most famous pair of teenage lovers, one of whom is just 13 years of age … In the drama, Shakespeare portrays the relationship as something splendid and innocent, but not juvenile. The work has inspired no less than 40 motion pictures, some of which suggest that the teenagers consummated their relationship … Shakespeare may not have written sexually explicit scenes for the Elizabethean audience, but were modern directors to adopt a less conventional approach, that fact alone would not compel the conclusion that the work was obscene.
      “Contemporary movies pursue similar themes. Last year’s Academy Awards featured the movie, Traffic, which was nominated for Best Picture … The film portrays a teenager, identified as a 16-year-old, who becomes addicted to drugs. The viewer sees the degradation of her addiction, which in the end leads her to a filthy room to trade sex for drugs. The year before, American Beauty won the Academy Award for Best Picture … In the course of the movie, a teenage girl engages in sexual relations with her teenage boyfriend, and another yields herself to the gratification of a middle-aged man. The film also contains a scene where, although the movie audience understands the act is not taking place, one character believes he is watching a teenage boy performing a sexual act on an older man.
      “The Government cannot ban speech fit for adults simply because it may fall into the hands of children. The evil in question depends upon the actor’s unlawful conduct, conduct defined as criminal quite apart from any link to the speech in question. This establishes that the speech ban is not narrowly drawn. The objective is to prohibit illegal conduct, but this restriction goes well beyond that interest by restricting the speech available to law-abiding adults.”

      1. JD Rose

        I know that some people can be addicted to pornography where is another people can be addicted to alcohol food soda  etc. . Because people are addicted to food should we stop the production of food and make it illegal to manufacture food in our state what about alcohol there  is lot of alcoholics out there should we make  the production and manufacture of alcohol here in our state illegal.   They  tried that when they enforced probation and it did not work it pushed it underground and made matters worse. At this point it’s too late to stop the production of pornography the best thing we could do now is try to control and regulate pornography through state and local laws. To make sure there’s a standard  or guideline that  they must follow if they do not follow that guideline put them in jail or fine them whatever the case maybe. This industry would add millions of dollars to the Arizona economy through just taxes alone that could be used to help hundreds if not thousands of people throughout the state of Arizona people who need assistance in government programs that are currently cut out schools that are firing teachers could hire teachers back and pay salaries and improve the education that we provide to the children here in Arizona. A lot of good could come from the tax dollars generated by the production of pornography here in Arizona

      2. arizona today

        So according to you statement above that with out pornagraphy there would be little to no crime?

        No, that is not at all what I stated. Re-read my post.

        We are not debating possessing pornography. We are debating creating it — filiming a crime and demanding it be allowed because it is a “film.” By that reasoning, if I filmed you robbing a bank it would be acceptable and legal.

        There is no comparison between food and porn. That is irrelevant.

  8. arizona today

    Absolutely no good can come from pornography in Arizona! You want children’s schools to be funded off the backs of people raped and abused in porn films? That is just disgusting.

    The State of Arizona is determining regulations for obscenity here. That’s the right of the duly elected lawmakers and for law enforcement authorities to uphold.

    This is not about addiction. It is about people being abused by the filming of sexual abuse.

    Read the 1986 Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography and read the personal testimonies of women who were victimized by pornography. Also, see this resource: http://unitedfamilies.org/default.asp?contentID=34

  9. arizona today

    •Pornography seeks out people from all walks of life, then poisons and corrupts them. The allure of substantial profits seduces corporations, hotel chains, cable television companies and Internet entrepreneurs – without concern for the well-being of families.
    •Pornography has the propensity to deaden husbands’ attraction for their wives. The result is often heartache, alienation and divorce.
    •Pornography is a perpetrator of family breakdown.
    •Pornography demeans its participants. It is a form of prostitution, and porn subjects are frequently the victims of molestation, rape, coercion and blackmail.
    •Pornography corrupts children and robs them of their innocence. Children have been raped and murdered by the producers of pornography.
    •Organized crime is heavily involved in pornography, and crime rates are much higher in the neighborhoods where pornography is available.
    •Pornography takes billions of dollars out of economies that could be much better spent on the needs of families.
    •Pornography is not a benign phenomenon; it leaves a clearly discernible trail of victims.
    The scenes of sex crimes and the homes of those committing sex crimes are frequently littered with pornography. Pornography creates callous attitudes toward rape and causes users to develop distorted perceptions about sexuality.
    •Pornography acts as a harmful “drug.” Physiologically, viewing pornography commonly triggers internal, endogenous drug production. An image in a person’s head acts as an electrical signal for no more than a few seconds can leave a trace that will last for years.
    •Pornography distorts a healthy understanding of human sexuality.
    •Pornography is pervasive, and no one is beyond its reach. One does not have to look for pornography; it will find you.
    •Driven by greed and a disregard for families and consumers, businesses continually seek to expand pornography’s reach by creating new markets.
    •Pornography contributes to the rising tide of sex trafficking.

  10. arizona today

    A spokeswoman for former prostitutes in Minneapolis said: “All of us feel very strongly about the relationship between pornography and prostitution. … This is absolutely incredible to me that prostitution is seen as a victimless activity and that many women are rightly terrified of breaking their silence, fearing harassment to themselves and families and loss of their jobs. We have started to meet together to make sense of the abuse we have experienced in prostitution and how pornography endorses and legitimizes that abuse.
    Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography, Part 4, Chapter 1: Victimization, 44, (1986).

  11. arizona today

    From the Meese Commission report:
    Forced Sexual Performance

    Part: Four

    During the course of the hearings the Commission received reports from individuals who described situations in which they were forced to engage in certain sexual acts. These acts are distinct from and in addition. to those acts described as rape above. As with the acts of rape which were described to the Commission, acts of forced sexual performance included those done in the course of making pornographic material and those relating to the use of existing pornography. Examples of the first of these are abundant

  12. arizona today

    More from the Meese Commission:

    Witnesses who testified before the Commission and individuals who submitted statements reported several connections between pornography and prostitution. One such connection was the use of pornography as instructional manuals for prostitutes.

    For example, a former prostitute testified:

    One of the very first commonalities we discovered as a group, we were all introduced to prostitution through pornography; there were no exceptions in our group, and we were all under eighteen.

    Pornography was our textbook, we learned the tricks of the trade by men exposing us to pornography and us trying to mimic what we saw. I could not stress enough what a huge influence we feel this was.[826]

    Another connection was the use of pornographic films by pimps to blackmail the participants:

    I was the main woman of a pimp who filmed sexual acts almost every night in our home. The dope man, who supplied us with cocaine for free in exchange for these arranged orgies, was a really freaky man who would do anything. They arranged to have women, who I assumed were forced to be there, have sex with dogs and filmed those acts. There were stacks of films all over the house, which my pimp used to blackmail people with.[827]

    Yet another connection was the use of magazines to stimulate the clientele:

    When I worked at massage studios, the owners had subscriptions to Playboy, Penthouse, Penthouse Forum and the like. These magazines were arranged in the waiting area of most of the massage places which I worked in. If a girl was not inside with a trick, she was expected to sit out front with the men who were waiting or who were undecided and to look at the magazines with them in order to get them titillated. They used the soft porn to help them work up the courage to try the acts described in the magazine with the prostitutes at the massage studio.[828]

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